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Justin's avatar

Well, it would be the irony of some big oligarchs trying to steal the mineral rich land for themselves, rather than countries in the area own it. Ukraine needs to clean up its act if it's going to be a good steward of the land. Russia has its own corruption, but given the last alternative of Blackrock, et al, trying to steal it for their own purposes, this might be the best that can come from this.

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If Russia takes Ukraine, they'll get rid of buildings and people, it will be rubble and ashes, and construction of industrial facilities. And if lithium mining and refining becomes a big thing - which it could due to the plentiful water supplies - count on lots of water pollution and soil contamination, just like every other place where lithium ore is mined and refined. The Russians will do to the Ukrainian people what they did in the Holodomor - where they killed six million of them. Perhaps they were "useless eaters", perhaps they got in the way, but Russians are ruthless when it comes to mineral extraction. Perhaps somewhat similar for Blackrock et al, but there might be the "constraint of western values" to stop a genocide. Russia has a track record in recent history - and the "towns" they capture are little more than rubble piles when they get done - and they seem to specialize in targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure in their bombing, drone, and missile attacks. Ukraine tends to not go after civilians, but just go after military and logistical targets, if for no other reason than that they have to be parsimonious in their weapons use, looking for the greatest counter-force and -logistics effects. I'd say US/NATO is much the same, but they're more likely to be bound by things such as the Geneva Convention. And the native Ukrainian oligarchs have a long track record - going back to their Communist apparatchik backgrounds and heritage - of screwing their own people into the ground and being rather violent at it although perhaps not as bad as 1990s Moscow.

The problem, really, is oligarchs and the governments with which they are in symbiosis, and this is true for everyplace which has them. Perhaps they are psychopaths, perhaps their greed knows no bounds, perhaps both, but wherever they are - and if the governments which enable them have the capability to project force - they're a real problem, and they end up ruining their societies, by screwing the people, whom they exploit, out of any possibility of a reasonable existence in a civil society. It's not for nothing that Russia and Ukraine's people are the first and second poorest in Europe, despite the fact that those countries are the most resource rich in Europe, and their people under fairer rule could be just as prosperous, if not more so, as Western Europeans have been. I treat all billionaires with suspicion, they are potentially dangerous predators...

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I saw plenty of evidence of Ukraine shelling civilian targets in the Donbas region and trying to blame it on Russians. And I saw Russians early on taking out infrastructure.

War is ugly. When countries value their own citizens more than the hatred of their enemies, we'll start to see peace. People's hearts are waxing cold.

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Commander Nelson's avatar

The author sounds Jewish to me.

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The Slavlands Chronicle guy is Russian Orthodox, I think. As for me, no, I'm not Jewish, but I support the right of Israel to exist - the same right to exist as the US - won by conquest - and of course, the right to defend itself and its citizens. And I support Ukraine in its War for Independence from Russia, which, under Catherine the Great, had colonized it in 1783. And Ukraine, if it succeeds in its bid for independence, will have to subdue and defeat its oligarchs in order to create a constitutional republic... If I were a Russian, I'd have politics very similar to Alexey Navalny - populist and nationalist. And for the record, Navalny was Orthodox and a believer.

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J B's avatar

Writer: "globalism is bad"

Commander Nelson: *wrings hands together, gaslight coming out of his hooked nose* "against globalism? Must be a Jew!"

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There's more than that - Slavlands has shown that Putin is a globalist and anti-Russian nationalism - that comes out, too, in Alexey Navalny's book, Patriot: A Memoir. Check this out: https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/there-is-no-proof-that-putin-is-a, especially this:

"Few people know or care that Washington used to subsidize Putin’s “United Russia” party to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. But Victoria Nuland spilled the beans on this 10 years ago. Here:

United Russia received grants from the US Agency for International Development USAID, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland said. According to her, the party participated in “some” programs of the International Republican Institute (IRI) and the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI).

It should be noted that on September 18, official Moscow announced the termination of USAID in Russia, later the Russian Foreign Ministry noted that "the nature of the organization’s work did not always meet the stated goals." In particular, it was an attempt to influence political processes in the country through the distribution of grants.

Victoria Nuland did not name the specific unicross programs that were supported by funding from the United States, but noted that it was about training for young leaders, supporting civil society and healthcare.

“We regret this decision,” US Ambassador to the Russian Federation Michael McFaul commented on this decision on Twitter. Recall, on the eve, extend the working life of USAID in Russia until May 2013. asked US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in a letter to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

In Russia, USAID has funded programs for the development of civil society, democracy and human rights for over 20 years. It should be noted that the Golos association, which carries out independent election monitoring, also received grants. The latter, commenting on the decision of the Russian authorities, said that it would probably be forced to close its projects.

Kommersant, however, said that the withdrawal of USAID from Russia does not mean the complete deprivation of American support for local NGOs. At least three organizations closely associated with the US government continue to work here - the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), the National Democratic Institute (NDA) and the International Republican Institute (IRI)." Ibid.

Note that the National Democratic Institute (NDA) and the International Republican Institute (IRI) are the shadow state organizations behind the DNC and RNC (perhaps until Trump...) respectively.

Putin is actively working to implement the WEF/UN/WHO program inside Russia, including universal biometric IDs, internal passports, "vaccinations", CBDCs, and so on... just like the globalists/oligarchs here and everywhere else. Interesting how "solutions" to "problems" are common, coordinated, and cross national borders...

It strikes me as amazing how to what extent US conservatives have been fooled by Putin and the likes of Tucker Carlson, et al., - "deceiving the very elect". And "United Russia" is the Russian counterpart to the Uniparties in the US and UK.

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