Since the vaccines produce spike proteins in profusion, and it's the spike proteins which both produce symptoms, and are detected by the PCR "tests", the vaccines are the disease...
It's also possible the vax just doesn't work on current strains. It was developed for another strain, now long gone. Certainly, the infections are caused by a pathogen. The evidence seems to point to Sars virus. Viruses mutate, and proliferate when they find susceptible hosts. It's unlikely the vax is doing anything other than reducing hosts for older strains. It does seem to alter immune functions in some vaxed folks to reduce even normal immune function in vaxed people, making infection worse. Which is good enough reason to avoid the vax. Then there's the side effects... we don't really need to overthink it.
Sounds like you are doing the overthinking, not wanting to consider that ta vaxxes are causing the illness, even though we have plenty pof evidence they are.
I consider everything I can find. There is no evidence the vax causes covid. There is evidence it degrades the immune system so that those who get infected can't fight it effectively. Overthinking is jumping to conclusions based on facts not in evidence.
David, the vax *can't* cause COronaVIrusDisease, but it can - and I suspect *does* - cause the same set of symptoms and syndromes associated with COVID, by the same means as the virus. There's more than one way to think about the evidence, and you, like the people at Cornell (and elsewhere) are firmly stuck in the conventional way of thinking about this, whereas neither Wendy nor I are.
For sure RNA is a new tool for vaccination, and this experiment hasn't gone exactly as planned. But we understand the biology pretty well, and the theories have proven pretty accurate for most people. The virus itself is a variable, due to frequent mutations. But the bigger variable is individual immune systems. Conventional thought depends on how things are supposed to work, which is usually a good place to start. There's still stuff to figure out. There always is. Normally, science has processes to learn about those uncertainties, but science has been inhibited during this debacle, so it will take a little longer. The important lessons will be to figure out why most are unaffected, and some are, and how to deal with those effects next time. Genetic medicine will be with us for a long time. We're just getting started.
As I said, the symptoms are caused by the spike proteins interacting with the various cells in the body, specifically the ones in the vascular system. Now, you introduce a treatment, which you call a "vaccine", which uses the cells to produce the same sort of spike protein in large amounts, and spread it throughout the body. What do you think might happen?
More precisely, the symptoms are caused by the body's inflammatory reaction to the invading pathogen. In a live virus infection, immune response identifies a number of antigenic components, including elements of the spike protein. The vax RNA instructs the body to build the same spike, which is also attacked by the immune system. Since it doesn't replicate, it is quickly destroyed and removed. The only difference in the vax and live virus, is the vax replicates. In either case, healthy immune systems destroy it before it causes damage. The harm is always caused by the immune system.
Something in the vax causes the immune system to suppress its own response to similar viruses. If they have figured out why, they haven't said yet. They will.
The vax side effects, myocarditis and others, appears to be caused by the injection putting RNA in the blood stream, which is less likely with lung infections. Some of the "long covid" symptoms that have been reported might be explained by the same process. They haven't said yet. They will.
Most people who get Sars infection have no problems. Most who get the vax have no problems. Immune health is highly variable, with some strong, some weak, and everywhere in between. There are lots of reasons to avoid the vax. Assigning blame without cause isn't one of them. The best reason seems to be it doesn't work. That's good enough for me. There's a lot of open mysteries about this whole disaster. We'll figure them out.
Be careful thinking you have the FACTS . There is plenty of evidence that the vaxxes are causing illness, not sure about covid, but the ability to detect a covid infection or any viral infection with a PCR test is in itself a fallacy.
For sure, facts are nebulous when they're manipulated, error prone, and incomplete. They'll get better. The article was about the vax causing covid. The vax is actually a covid replica, so an active immune response produces the same inflammatory response as any other infection. The difference for vaccines is they don't replicate, so a healthy immune system destroys the vax induced antigens quickly, with no symptoms other than local muscle soreness for most people. Immune cells also eat the cells the spikes are attached to, which is acceptable for muscle tissue at the injection tion site, but can cause unrelated problems if it gets into the blood and ends up in organs with ACE receptors like the heart. A few have stronger reactions, probably for many reasons, but probably mostly because of defective immune health to start with. The known co-morbidities all have in common that they degrade normal immune health.
The inventer of PCR, Malone, tells us it has been misused. It can detect this virus, but also detects remnants of naturally destroyed virus, and can be manipulated to detect such small amounts the infection is irrelevant. So the fallacy has been how it is used, not the test itself. The evidence shows the main objective has been inciting panic, so "cases" is their tactic for generating sufficient fear to keep the population docile and compliant. If no one hangs for this, our society is done.
I agree with your final sentences...the pandemic is a scam and is a means to an agenda. However, Kary Mullis invented PCR and interestingly died August 2019 of pneumonia, right before the pandemic was declared. I have no doubt he would have been a contrarian, especially when it came to the use of the PCR to ramp up cases and the response to the fear campaign. All PCR does is replicate tiny pieces of DNA...not detect an infection. As far as covid, I am not 100% sure there is a novel virus making people sick. I am not finding clear evidence that covid-19 was purified and then shown to cause death or lysis in human cells. We know for certain that by not treating the frail who got respiratory illnesses that they called covid becuase they could not get EU for vaccines if there was a therapy for this supposed new virus likely killed many people. Vents also killed at least 80% of those who were placed on them. There is so much criminla actions that have taken place around this that I certainly agree with your final sentence.... bring on the guillotines.
It's also possible the vax just doesn't work on current strains. It was developed for another strain, now long gone. Certainly, the infections are caused by a pathogen. The evidence seems to point to Sars virus. Viruses mutate, and proliferate when they find susceptible hosts. It's unlikely the vax is doing anything other than reducing hosts for older strains. It does seem to alter immune functions in some vaxed folks to reduce even normal immune function in vaxed people, making infection worse. Which is good enough reason to avoid the vax. Then there's the side effects... we don't really need to overthink it.
Sounds like you are doing the overthinking, not wanting to consider that ta vaxxes are causing the illness, even though we have plenty pof evidence they are.
I consider everything I can find. There is no evidence the vax causes covid. There is evidence it degrades the immune system so that those who get infected can't fight it effectively. Overthinking is jumping to conclusions based on facts not in evidence.
David, the vax *can't* cause COronaVIrusDisease, but it can - and I suspect *does* - cause the same set of symptoms and syndromes associated with COVID, by the same means as the virus. There's more than one way to think about the evidence, and you, like the people at Cornell (and elsewhere) are firmly stuck in the conventional way of thinking about this, whereas neither Wendy nor I are.
For sure RNA is a new tool for vaccination, and this experiment hasn't gone exactly as planned. But we understand the biology pretty well, and the theories have proven pretty accurate for most people. The virus itself is a variable, due to frequent mutations. But the bigger variable is individual immune systems. Conventional thought depends on how things are supposed to work, which is usually a good place to start. There's still stuff to figure out. There always is. Normally, science has processes to learn about those uncertainties, but science has been inhibited during this debacle, so it will take a little longer. The important lessons will be to figure out why most are unaffected, and some are, and how to deal with those effects next time. Genetic medicine will be with us for a long time. We're just getting started.
As I said, the symptoms are caused by the spike proteins interacting with the various cells in the body, specifically the ones in the vascular system. Now, you introduce a treatment, which you call a "vaccine", which uses the cells to produce the same sort of spike protein in large amounts, and spread it throughout the body. What do you think might happen?
More precisely, the symptoms are caused by the body's inflammatory reaction to the invading pathogen. In a live virus infection, immune response identifies a number of antigenic components, including elements of the spike protein. The vax RNA instructs the body to build the same spike, which is also attacked by the immune system. Since it doesn't replicate, it is quickly destroyed and removed. The only difference in the vax and live virus, is the vax replicates. In either case, healthy immune systems destroy it before it causes damage. The harm is always caused by the immune system.
Something in the vax causes the immune system to suppress its own response to similar viruses. If they have figured out why, they haven't said yet. They will.
The vax side effects, myocarditis and others, appears to be caused by the injection putting RNA in the blood stream, which is less likely with lung infections. Some of the "long covid" symptoms that have been reported might be explained by the same process. They haven't said yet. They will.
Most people who get Sars infection have no problems. Most who get the vax have no problems. Immune health is highly variable, with some strong, some weak, and everywhere in between. There are lots of reasons to avoid the vax. Assigning blame without cause isn't one of them. The best reason seems to be it doesn't work. That's good enough for me. There's a lot of open mysteries about this whole disaster. We'll figure them out.
Be careful thinking you have the FACTS . There is plenty of evidence that the vaxxes are causing illness, not sure about covid, but the ability to detect a covid infection or any viral infection with a PCR test is in itself a fallacy.
For sure, facts are nebulous when they're manipulated, error prone, and incomplete. They'll get better. The article was about the vax causing covid. The vax is actually a covid replica, so an active immune response produces the same inflammatory response as any other infection. The difference for vaccines is they don't replicate, so a healthy immune system destroys the vax induced antigens quickly, with no symptoms other than local muscle soreness for most people. Immune cells also eat the cells the spikes are attached to, which is acceptable for muscle tissue at the injection tion site, but can cause unrelated problems if it gets into the blood and ends up in organs with ACE receptors like the heart. A few have stronger reactions, probably for many reasons, but probably mostly because of defective immune health to start with. The known co-morbidities all have in common that they degrade normal immune health.
The inventer of PCR, Malone, tells us it has been misused. It can detect this virus, but also detects remnants of naturally destroyed virus, and can be manipulated to detect such small amounts the infection is irrelevant. So the fallacy has been how it is used, not the test itself. The evidence shows the main objective has been inciting panic, so "cases" is their tactic for generating sufficient fear to keep the population docile and compliant. If no one hangs for this, our society is done.
I agree with your final sentences...the pandemic is a scam and is a means to an agenda. However, Kary Mullis invented PCR and interestingly died August 2019 of pneumonia, right before the pandemic was declared. I have no doubt he would have been a contrarian, especially when it came to the use of the PCR to ramp up cases and the response to the fear campaign. All PCR does is replicate tiny pieces of DNA...not detect an infection. As far as covid, I am not 100% sure there is a novel virus making people sick. I am not finding clear evidence that covid-19 was purified and then shown to cause death or lysis in human cells. We know for certain that by not treating the frail who got respiratory illnesses that they called covid becuase they could not get EU for vaccines if there was a therapy for this supposed new virus likely killed many people. Vents also killed at least 80% of those who were placed on them. There is so much criminla actions that have taken place around this that I certainly agree with your final sentence.... bring on the guillotines.