I just got booted off of Facebook seven days ago - a concocted "security incident" and a request to retract/recant about 40 posts - comments - I'd made over the past three months deviating from the Official Narrative - that’s part of the “process” they wanted me to go through to “unlock” the account.
I dropped facebook long ago. So many people posting fictitious facts that were obvious fakes supporting the left wing. When I called them out they would not remove the fake facts. Many friends that became teachers that I had grown up with were so far to the left and not logical it was sickening. they implicitly trusted what ever the government said, thinking that the government would never harm a soul. I tried to point out the syphilis experiments they did on citizens, and many other nefarious things that the gov had done. Could not shake their misguided trust. So now we have facebook eliminating the truth, and upholding lies, it is an upside down world.
I've got a lot of leftist friends on fb, even out and out Marxists, and few of them are authoritarians. And I've got leftist friends - people I've known in real life - who *are* authoritarians - and we argue. And I know a fair amount of anarchists - and they most definitely are not authoritarians. The Antifa people are Maoists, they're the worst sort of leftist authoritarians... And the other half are on the Right, and very few of them are authoritarian. I suppose what I'm saying here is that I'm anti-authoritarian and my friends for the most part are as well... and they've got enough intestinal fortitude or tolerance or something to be able to discuss things and not take their ball and go home in a huff. And I've had a few of the latter, and they stomp off - and that's happened in real life. I'd have to say that the great majority don't trust governments, simply as a matter of experience. Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's the trouble with the Administrative State, whether on Federal, State, or Municipal level - and that's the trouble with nearly all "social media" - their owners tend to abuse their absolute power as set out universally in their Terms of Service... "hate speech" is speech that those in power hate...
And the people who trust the government implicitly - I don't know *any* leftists who do that, nor have I ever known any leftists who did that. It's the liberals who lap up NPR and PBS who do that, and that's been the case for the last 45 years or so - because most of them work for or are beholden to the government. The people I know who have worked for the government who *don't* trust the government have worked in some pretty high-level positions, and they've seen the real workings of it, and their mistrust and frankly, outright cynicism comes from that experience.
I worked for NSG an operational subset of NSA, and it was quite the eye-opener. Nothing to do with national security or protecting Americans, all about data that the elite can use to make money. this regardless of who dies. I was a field operative, specializing in missiles.
Hello, Dmitryi here. How about you get on Telegram at long last? You could start a channel or group there too, it's a lot more relaxed and useful than Mugbook.
Telegram insists on being given access to my phone, and that drives me nuts, I use the phone to make phone calls when out of town, and to listen to podcasts when in town and out, otherwise I don't use it, I use my desktop. If there's just a webpage I can get to it on, and not screw around with the phone, I might consider that.
Get a cheap button phone or a prepaid SIM card and use that to get an auth code, then use it in the PC version, https://www.telegram.org/ — it won't ever bother you in any way on the phone, it's just used to bind the account.
The Internet started out being a DARPA project, it was a means for keeping communications open for the military during a war - a nuclear war. My first Internet account was in 1981 - and I had to get an AUTOVON number to dial up and get on line - with a 300 baud modem. I seem to remember having some sort of internet access at Kansas University from 1978 onwards, we had email and readnews and anonymous FTP. I've seen someone make a long distance call, whistle into the phone receiver, and get carrier then log in at MIT... that was 1979, I think...
I have no doubt that FB is used for intelligence collection and analysis, psychological testing, network analysis, AI/predictive algorithms, and perception management - and that it is tied into the National Security State. Organizing any sort of non-mainstream political movement on FB is very like a feed of information straight to the feds, and then after that, manipulation to disperse and destroy organizing efforts, like a privately-held COINTELPRO.
https://phys.org/news/2022-01-rationality-declined-decades.html — there is this too, and Mugbook is the chief culprit here with its "likes" and such non-rational features. Twatter also has something to do with its short silly text limitation. Phones with their GUIs and in general cutesy appealing interfaces have a lot to do with general irrationality, as is the 'Net's divisive "filter out the unliked" effect.
I'm not interested in talking with people who meet standards for face or twit. Mindless addicts or rabid disciples of government control. Those who rely on them for income should find better jobs.
Conversations are nice, even with people who disagree, even disagreeable. It's like going to the gym for martial arts workouts -- it's good exercise. Not personal. It becomes personal when they make it personal by attacking principles.
Face is losing users, enough to affect earnings and causing their stock to crash. That's likely to make them reconsider their principles. But even when they clean up their act, we need to watch out for the addicts, especially our own addictions. Their plans to insert virtual realities is like increasing the strength of fentanyl to increase the addictions. Teaching people the benefits of natural reality takes sterner measures than withdrawal. I practice aggressive ridicule and insults on those who admit to using propaganda media. The depraved don't recognize their depravity until someone cares enough to tell them. Mass formation psychosis requires mass intervention. Some can be saved. The rest are acceptable losses.
As to aggressive ridicule and insults, if your intended audience is a member of a cult or a "mass formation" or a well-indoctrinated person in one capacity or other, it will simply increase their resistance. Back about 25 years ago, I was part of a discussion club in Kansas City, and we had LtGeneral Harry Soyster as a guest. He was one of the big opponents to "enhanced interrogation" during the Gulf Wars, and it was his experience that those techniques produced no actionable intelligence. What he did was to put people at their ease, and try to establish a personal connection with them - and ask simple questions - and then let them think about them. And those questions destroyed the belief systems they'd been indoctrinated into, and they talked, and gave actual actionable information. I'd think a similar approach would be the way to go for "mass formation" people - it's going to be one on one - and perhaps something like "what sort of vaccination is it that makes unvaccinated people a danger to you" - because there's a fundamental contradiction there - that the vaccinations which are supposed to protect you instead make you *more* vulnerable, and that's a singularly odd sort of vaccination. Those (indoctrinated) beliefs are a sort of paradoxical communication, a "thought stopper" - you can't resolve the paradox, and so you wind up adopting the belief system as a whole. To figure out how to reach people entrapped in "mass formations", the work which has been done to get people to "wake up" out of cults is a very useful resource. And people can be led - or they can do it for themselves - but making personal connections, speaking out, and simply introducing reasonable doubts is a lot more effective than abuse.
How's all that diplomacy working? Anywhere? It's not, and it won't. The LtGen's fairy tale sounds nice but is a rare occurrence, if at all. Zealots don't respond to rational advice. They see it as weakness, correctly. The problem with covid warriors, like those the LtGen faced, is they want to hurt us. Maybe they think they're justified, and have noble intentions. Doesn't matter. The only rational response to vicious attacks is stronger counterattack. Anything less and you'll lose. It might work okay to ignore terrorists for a while, but eventually they'll get around to you. Giving them any advantage is often dangerous.
Go look him up, he's got a *lot* more experience than you do. And I don't appreciate the tenor of your comments, and this isn't the first time on that count, either. It's getting to be a bit tiresome, you're beginning to sound like Nancy Pelosi.
OK, that's enough. You're out of here. I'm not putting up with your nonsense any more - and that's rather ironic, given the nature of this post. But I'll be damned if I'll put up with rude and insulting people. I don't put up with it in person, and I will not do so online.
Just had my Instragram account nuked under the same auspices. It was my own personal account of mostly benign content so I'm assuming it's what I commented that did me in as I'd received a few warnings. I will not be pursuing it or creating a new one.
Aware. Deleted that several years ago but if I hadn't I'm sure my account would've been destined for the same fate over the last two years. Covid has legitimately broke people's brains and I've little patience for it lol
I dropped facebook long ago. So many people posting fictitious facts that were obvious fakes supporting the left wing. When I called them out they would not remove the fake facts. Many friends that became teachers that I had grown up with were so far to the left and not logical it was sickening. they implicitly trusted what ever the government said, thinking that the government would never harm a soul. I tried to point out the syphilis experiments they did on citizens, and many other nefarious things that the gov had done. Could not shake their misguided trust. So now we have facebook eliminating the truth, and upholding lies, it is an upside down world.
I've got a lot of leftist friends on fb, even out and out Marxists, and few of them are authoritarians. And I've got leftist friends - people I've known in real life - who *are* authoritarians - and we argue. And I know a fair amount of anarchists - and they most definitely are not authoritarians. The Antifa people are Maoists, they're the worst sort of leftist authoritarians... And the other half are on the Right, and very few of them are authoritarian. I suppose what I'm saying here is that I'm anti-authoritarian and my friends for the most part are as well... and they've got enough intestinal fortitude or tolerance or something to be able to discuss things and not take their ball and go home in a huff. And I've had a few of the latter, and they stomp off - and that's happened in real life. I'd have to say that the great majority don't trust governments, simply as a matter of experience. Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's the trouble with the Administrative State, whether on Federal, State, or Municipal level - and that's the trouble with nearly all "social media" - their owners tend to abuse their absolute power as set out universally in their Terms of Service... "hate speech" is speech that those in power hate...
And the people who trust the government implicitly - I don't know *any* leftists who do that, nor have I ever known any leftists who did that. It's the liberals who lap up NPR and PBS who do that, and that's been the case for the last 45 years or so - because most of them work for or are beholden to the government. The people I know who have worked for the government who *don't* trust the government have worked in some pretty high-level positions, and they've seen the real workings of it, and their mistrust and frankly, outright cynicism comes from that experience.
I worked for NSG an operational subset of NSA, and it was quite the eye-opener. Nothing to do with national security or protecting Americans, all about data that the elite can use to make money. this regardless of who dies. I was a field operative, specializing in missiles.
Hello, Dmitryi here. How about you get on Telegram at long last? You could start a channel or group there too, it's a lot more relaxed and useful than Mugbook.
Telegram insists on being given access to my phone, and that drives me nuts, I use the phone to make phone calls when out of town, and to listen to podcasts when in town and out, otherwise I don't use it, I use my desktop. If there's just a webpage I can get to it on, and not screw around with the phone, I might consider that.
Get a cheap button phone or a prepaid SIM card and use that to get an auth code, then use it in the PC version, https://www.telegram.org/ — it won't ever bother you in any way on the phone, it's just used to bind the account.
Mugbook's a DARPA project though, wasn't it?
The Internet started out being a DARPA project, it was a means for keeping communications open for the military during a war - a nuclear war. My first Internet account was in 1981 - and I had to get an AUTOVON number to dial up and get on line - with a 300 baud modem. I seem to remember having some sort of internet access at Kansas University from 1978 onwards, we had email and readnews and anonymous FTP. I've seen someone make a long distance call, whistle into the phone receiver, and get carrier then log in at MIT... that was 1979, I think...
I have no doubt that FB is used for intelligence collection and analysis, psychological testing, network analysis, AI/predictive algorithms, and perception management - and that it is tied into the National Security State. Organizing any sort of non-mainstream political movement on FB is very like a feed of information straight to the feds, and then after that, manipulation to disperse and destroy organizing efforts, like a privately-held COINTELPRO.
They say it was called "Lifelog" and it was an actual DARPA project. There is this, and you can get more hits if you search (well at least with Yandex and DDG): https://medium.com/@jjkimball01/even-facebooks-very-origin-is-suspect-55609ee3df82
Looks interesting - and I remember when TIA was announced in 2003. But then Myspace was around before then, and then there was AOL...
TIA?
Total Information Awareness - https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Total_Information_Awareness
https://investigatemagazine.co.nz/1601/is-facebook-the-new-big-brother/
In-Q-Tel and Accel names are quoted as FB affiliates/launch helpers.
https://phys.org/news/2022-01-rationality-declined-decades.html — there is this too, and Mugbook is the chief culprit here with its "likes" and such non-rational features. Twatter also has something to do with its short silly text limitation. Phones with their GUIs and in general cutesy appealing interfaces have a lot to do with general irrationality, as is the 'Net's divisive "filter out the unliked" effect.
I'm not interested in talking with people who meet standards for face or twit. Mindless addicts or rabid disciples of government control. Those who rely on them for income should find better jobs.
Conversations are nice, even with people who disagree, even disagreeable. It's like going to the gym for martial arts workouts -- it's good exercise. Not personal. It becomes personal when they make it personal by attacking principles.
Face is losing users, enough to affect earnings and causing their stock to crash. That's likely to make them reconsider their principles. But even when they clean up their act, we need to watch out for the addicts, especially our own addictions. Their plans to insert virtual realities is like increasing the strength of fentanyl to increase the addictions. Teaching people the benefits of natural reality takes sterner measures than withdrawal. I practice aggressive ridicule and insults on those who admit to using propaganda media. The depraved don't recognize their depravity until someone cares enough to tell them. Mass formation psychosis requires mass intervention. Some can be saved. The rest are acceptable losses.
Facebook was useful and fun, a nice little monkey - until the claws came out, and that powerful grip...
As to aggressive ridicule and insults, if your intended audience is a member of a cult or a "mass formation" or a well-indoctrinated person in one capacity or other, it will simply increase their resistance. Back about 25 years ago, I was part of a discussion club in Kansas City, and we had LtGeneral Harry Soyster as a guest. He was one of the big opponents to "enhanced interrogation" during the Gulf Wars, and it was his experience that those techniques produced no actionable intelligence. What he did was to put people at their ease, and try to establish a personal connection with them - and ask simple questions - and then let them think about them. And those questions destroyed the belief systems they'd been indoctrinated into, and they talked, and gave actual actionable information. I'd think a similar approach would be the way to go for "mass formation" people - it's going to be one on one - and perhaps something like "what sort of vaccination is it that makes unvaccinated people a danger to you" - because there's a fundamental contradiction there - that the vaccinations which are supposed to protect you instead make you *more* vulnerable, and that's a singularly odd sort of vaccination. Those (indoctrinated) beliefs are a sort of paradoxical communication, a "thought stopper" - you can't resolve the paradox, and so you wind up adopting the belief system as a whole. To figure out how to reach people entrapped in "mass formations", the work which has been done to get people to "wake up" out of cults is a very useful resource. And people can be led - or they can do it for themselves - but making personal connections, speaking out, and simply introducing reasonable doubts is a lot more effective than abuse.
How's all that diplomacy working? Anywhere? It's not, and it won't. The LtGen's fairy tale sounds nice but is a rare occurrence, if at all. Zealots don't respond to rational advice. They see it as weakness, correctly. The problem with covid warriors, like those the LtGen faced, is they want to hurt us. Maybe they think they're justified, and have noble intentions. Doesn't matter. The only rational response to vicious attacks is stronger counterattack. Anything less and you'll lose. It might work okay to ignore terrorists for a while, but eventually they'll get around to you. Giving them any advantage is often dangerous.
Go look him up, he's got a *lot* more experience than you do. And I don't appreciate the tenor of your comments, and this isn't the first time on that count, either. It's getting to be a bit tiresome, you're beginning to sound like Nancy Pelosi.
OK, that's enough. You're out of here. I'm not putting up with your nonsense any more - and that's rather ironic, given the nature of this post. But I'll be damned if I'll put up with rude and insulting people. I don't put up with it in person, and I will not do so online.
Just had my Instragram account nuked under the same auspices. It was my own personal account of mostly benign content so I'm assuming it's what I commented that did me in as I'd received a few warnings. I will not be pursuing it or creating a new one.
Instagram is owned by Zuckerberg, btw.
Aware. Deleted that several years ago but if I hadn't I'm sure my account would've been destined for the same fate over the last two years. Covid has legitimately broke people's brains and I've little patience for it lol