My understanding of this new Bucha situation is based on decades of memories of US false flag/atrocity events used to foster allegiance to whatever the US narative du jour is. It's ALWAYS the US demonizing our victims/opponents, to bolster our military agenda & gather popular support for the US's latest bloody aggressions. Every significant American/NATO operation for decades has used these fake scenarios. (The White Helmets in Syria famously being the most recent & accomplished masters of this art of creating photos of fraudulent atrocities.) So, I don't believe i, I don't buy it. I think they are manufactured, lurid Hollywood props, recycled video-game scenes, etc. (I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Much info on the Bucha fakery is already out there, if you do a little research....)
I know a guy in Kyiv who lives close by - an American expat who has lived there since 2005, moved there to retire when he was 62. I wish it was fake, but it's not, it's oh-so-very-real, he heard the gunfire from his house... It's just not good at all. If the Pentagon can't confirm it, then they're way f*cked up, maybe Reuters should send a reporter. Actually, Meduza has done that job for them - https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/04/the-world-reacts-to-evidence-of-russian-atrocities-in-bucha and https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/04/they-gave-their-rations-to-the-people-in-the-basement-then-threw-down-a-grenade so maybe Reuters could call up Meduza - an independent media outfit from Russia who had to leave when Putin effectively shut down non-state-run media. Zelenskyy did that to non-state-run broadcast media, but apparently not print media. https://meduza.io/en is the general site, they've been around for a while - since 2014 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meduza - and before that were with lenta.ru - "Meduza is run by a team of around 20 journalists who resigned from their jobs at Lenta.ru following Galina Timchenko's unexpected removal from her post by the website's owner and Vladimir Putin supporter,[25] the oligarch Alexander Mamut." Ibid.
What appears to be the consensus among those sources I trust is this: the Ukrainian army (ultra-nationalists) killed pro-Russian supporters after the Russians left Bucha, then reported that the Russians did it... This is the exact same type of fake atrocity scenarios produced by the White Helmets, the NATO-led fake rescue organization in Syria (no doubt you are familiar w them...), that attempted to smear the Assad regime countless times w such stories as him gassing his own citizens....
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Then what could be happening is that you've got two different armies with two different commanders - one with badly trained and undisciplined troops, one with well trained and properly disciplined troops - and they take different approaches with civilians. From what I've heard, the top of the line Russian troops are in the East, because it's been a prime aim of Putin's to bring Lugansk and Donetsk into the Russian Federation since 2014, and to keep Crimea in the Russian Federation - along with the south sea coast of Ukraine. If he's following Dugin's plan for the partition of Ukraine, then the end goal will be to incorporate all of Ukraine except for Western Ukraine. But with these atrocities, that will kick off a civilian resistance which will make any sort of occupation very costly, and Ukraine has a long reputation going back over 100 years - back to Tsarist rule - for civilian resistance. The best outcome would be for Ukraine to join the Visegrad Bloc as a neutral, non-NATO buffer zone - where the civilian population are armed and trained like the Swiss, so that there will be no threat of Russian empire re-building - or NATO expansionism, and NATO and Russia being kept separate. To accomplish this, the Baltic countries would have to come out of NATO - that's a key Russian aim, to break NATO apart like that, in order to make Russian expansionism possible without threat from NATO, so that's a reason why those countries may not want to do that. So that's a hard negotiation, they don't want their people to end up like the people in Bucha, and with the counterpoise of NATO present, that won't happen. Probably.
Another thing that is happening is that Russia is losing technically-trained people, especially under 30s, in droves. They grew up in a relatively free Russia, and things have gotten successively less free since 2014. Same case for Belarus, btw. Both Russia and Belarus are dictatorships, and they've really cracked down on any sort of freedom of expression - and that drives creative and intelligent people away, and that has very real consequences. If Putin and Lukashenko could go and be replaced by an actual representative government - *and* become a part of NATO and the EU (as should have happened in the early 1990s) - then that would entirely change the power dynamic. Belarus and the part of Russia west of the Urals are part of Europe, the rest of Russia is quite frankly Asian although there's been a lot of European migration, including Jewish migration in the 1930s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan). So that might be a solution too. It's really in Putin's hands, though, if he wants to follow Dugin's plan, in the end I doubt it will be possible. I think when the non-Soviet generation takes over - and that could be soon, things will change for the better. As long as Homo Sovieticus* is in power - that's Putin, he's 70 this year - things won't change, nostalgia for the old will be too strong, but when that generation passes, there should be productive change.
* - "The "Soviet man" is characterised by his tendency to follow the authority of the state in its assessment of reality, to adopt an attitude of mistrust and anxiety towards anything foreign and unknown, and is convinced of his own powerlessness and inability to affect the surrounding reality; from here, it is only a step towards lacking any sense of responsibility for that reality. His suppressed aggression, birthed by his chronic dissatisfaction with life, his intense sense of injustice and his inability to achieve self-realisation, and his great envy, all erupt into a fascination with force and violence, as well as a tendency towards "negative identification" – in opposition to "the enemy" or "the foreigner". Such a personality suits a quasi-tribal approach to standards of morality and law (the things "our people" have a right to do are condemned in the "foreigner").
I don't buy your two-different-army hypothesis. My understanding (possibly incorrect, but I don't think so..) is that the Soviet army has been explicitly instructed to keep civilian casualties/destruction to a minimum (except in Mariopol, where the Azovs are in control, & they have no choice but to push them out however they can...). The Russians are not subjecting the population to total obliteration, the usual US/NATO approach (Viet Nam, Iraq, Syria). They appear to me to be well-trained & disciplined, despite the malevolent & fraudulent Western propaganda to the contrary, which is resorting to its usual demonizing mendacities.
I suggest you look at these two sites to get a more balanced, less NATO-influenced perspective...1) http://thesaker.is; 2) https://www.moonofalabama.org. Both sites feature are run by non-aligned experts in military/diplomatic matters.
My understanding of this new Bucha situation is based on decades of memories of US false flag/atrocity events used to foster allegiance to whatever the US narative du jour is. It's ALWAYS the US demonizing our victims/opponents, to bolster our military agenda & gather popular support for the US's latest bloody aggressions. Every significant American/NATO operation for decades has used these fake scenarios. (The White Helmets in Syria famously being the most recent & accomplished masters of this art of creating photos of fraudulent atrocities.) So, I don't believe i, I don't buy it. I think they are manufactured, lurid Hollywood props, recycled video-game scenes, etc. (I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Much info on the Bucha fakery is already out there, if you do a little research....)
https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-cant-independently-confirm-atrocities-ukraines-bucha-official-says-2022-04-04/?taid=624b43bd3225ef0001288ec4
I know a guy in Kyiv who lives close by - an American expat who has lived there since 2005, moved there to retire when he was 62. I wish it was fake, but it's not, it's oh-so-very-real, he heard the gunfire from his house... It's just not good at all. If the Pentagon can't confirm it, then they're way f*cked up, maybe Reuters should send a reporter. Actually, Meduza has done that job for them - https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/04/the-world-reacts-to-evidence-of-russian-atrocities-in-bucha and https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/04/they-gave-their-rations-to-the-people-in-the-basement-then-threw-down-a-grenade so maybe Reuters could call up Meduza - an independent media outfit from Russia who had to leave when Putin effectively shut down non-state-run media. Zelenskyy did that to non-state-run broadcast media, but apparently not print media. https://meduza.io/en is the general site, they've been around for a while - since 2014 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meduza - and before that were with lenta.ru - "Meduza is run by a team of around 20 journalists who resigned from their jobs at Lenta.ru following Galina Timchenko's unexpected removal from her post by the website's owner and Vladimir Putin supporter,[25] the oligarch Alexander Mamut." Ibid.
What appears to be the consensus among those sources I trust is this: the Ukrainian army (ultra-nationalists) killed pro-Russian supporters after the Russians left Bucha, then reported that the Russians did it... This is the exact same type of fake atrocity scenarios produced by the White Helmets, the NATO-led fake rescue organization in Syria (no doubt you are familiar w them...), that attempted to smear the Assad regime countless times w such stories as him gassing his own citizens....
This is a recent clip from a US reporter in Mariopol who has lived in Ukraine for 8 years, echoing the info about the brutality of the Ukrainian army, NOT the Russian army. https://www.facebook.com/devill.303/videos/1429481364139562
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I was looking at this reporter's work well before the war started...lots of on-the-ground info... This guy I trust, not CNN, etc....
https://occidentaldissent.com/2022/03/27/patrick-lancaster-war-crimes-in-mariupol-exposed/
Then what could be happening is that you've got two different armies with two different commanders - one with badly trained and undisciplined troops, one with well trained and properly disciplined troops - and they take different approaches with civilians. From what I've heard, the top of the line Russian troops are in the East, because it's been a prime aim of Putin's to bring Lugansk and Donetsk into the Russian Federation since 2014, and to keep Crimea in the Russian Federation - along with the south sea coast of Ukraine. If he's following Dugin's plan for the partition of Ukraine, then the end goal will be to incorporate all of Ukraine except for Western Ukraine. But with these atrocities, that will kick off a civilian resistance which will make any sort of occupation very costly, and Ukraine has a long reputation going back over 100 years - back to Tsarist rule - for civilian resistance. The best outcome would be for Ukraine to join the Visegrad Bloc as a neutral, non-NATO buffer zone - where the civilian population are armed and trained like the Swiss, so that there will be no threat of Russian empire re-building - or NATO expansionism, and NATO and Russia being kept separate. To accomplish this, the Baltic countries would have to come out of NATO - that's a key Russian aim, to break NATO apart like that, in order to make Russian expansionism possible without threat from NATO, so that's a reason why those countries may not want to do that. So that's a hard negotiation, they don't want their people to end up like the people in Bucha, and with the counterpoise of NATO present, that won't happen. Probably.
Another thing that is happening is that Russia is losing technically-trained people, especially under 30s, in droves. They grew up in a relatively free Russia, and things have gotten successively less free since 2014. Same case for Belarus, btw. Both Russia and Belarus are dictatorships, and they've really cracked down on any sort of freedom of expression - and that drives creative and intelligent people away, and that has very real consequences. If Putin and Lukashenko could go and be replaced by an actual representative government - *and* become a part of NATO and the EU (as should have happened in the early 1990s) - then that would entirely change the power dynamic. Belarus and the part of Russia west of the Urals are part of Europe, the rest of Russia is quite frankly Asian although there's been a lot of European migration, including Jewish migration in the 1930s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan). So that might be a solution too. It's really in Putin's hands, though, if he wants to follow Dugin's plan, in the end I doubt it will be possible. I think when the non-Soviet generation takes over - and that could be soon, things will change for the better. As long as Homo Sovieticus* is in power - that's Putin, he's 70 this year - things won't change, nostalgia for the old will be too strong, but when that generation passes, there should be productive change.
* - "The "Soviet man" is characterised by his tendency to follow the authority of the state in its assessment of reality, to adopt an attitude of mistrust and anxiety towards anything foreign and unknown, and is convinced of his own powerlessness and inability to affect the surrounding reality; from here, it is only a step towards lacking any sense of responsibility for that reality. His suppressed aggression, birthed by his chronic dissatisfaction with life, his intense sense of injustice and his inability to achieve self-realisation, and his great envy, all erupt into a fascination with force and violence, as well as a tendency towards "negative identification" – in opposition to "the enemy" or "the foreigner". Such a personality suits a quasi-tribal approach to standards of morality and law (the things "our people" have a right to do are condemned in the "foreigner").
— "Conflict-dependent Russia. The domestic determinants of the Kremlin's anti-western policy", Maria Domańska" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Sovieticus
I don't buy your two-different-army hypothesis. My understanding (possibly incorrect, but I don't think so..) is that the Soviet army has been explicitly instructed to keep civilian casualties/destruction to a minimum (except in Mariopol, where the Azovs are in control, & they have no choice but to push them out however they can...). The Russians are not subjecting the population to total obliteration, the usual US/NATO approach (Viet Nam, Iraq, Syria). They appear to me to be well-trained & disciplined, despite the malevolent & fraudulent Western propaganda to the contrary, which is resorting to its usual demonizing mendacities.
I suggest you look at these two sites to get a more balanced, less NATO-influenced perspective...1) http://thesaker.is; 2) https://www.moonofalabama.org. Both sites feature are run by non-aligned experts in military/diplomatic matters.